Joe Rogan Experience #2549 - Jared Diamond · Aired Sep 3, 2026
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The unification of Italy in 1862 relied heavily on the development of a national school system and a national army to foster national identity.
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The core idea, that Italy used schools and a national army to build a shared national identity after unification, matches real history and the famous line attributed to Massimo d'Azeglio about needing to 'make Italians.' But the unification date is wrong: the Kingdom of Italy was proclaimed in 1861, not 1862, and full unification wasn't completed until Rome was taken in 1870.
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Is it true that the unification of Italy in 1862 relied heavily on the development of a national school system and a national army to foster national identity?
Partly. The claim stretches what the evidence shows. ' But the unification date is wrong: the Kingdom of Italy was proclaimed in 1861, not 1862, and full unification wasn't completed until Rome was taken in 1870. Jared Diamond said it (matched by voice) on Joe Rogan Experience #2549 - Jared Diamond, aired Sep 3, 2026, at 1:33:57. The supporting source is en.wikipedia.org, linked below.
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