JRE #2467 - Michael Pollan · Aired Mar 14, 2026
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If there were no consciousness, there would be no 'scale' to the universe—only particles and waves without spacetime.
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This echoes a real idea in physics, physicist John Wheeler's participatory anthropic principle, which holds that observers are needed to bring definite properties into being and that without them there would be nothing but unmeasured quantum possibilities. It's a genuine position from a respected physicist, but it's a minority view that most physicists reject as untestable and circular, and the claim presents it as settled rather than as one contested interpretation among several.
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Is it true that if there were no consciousness, there would be no 'scale' to the universe—only particles and waves without spacetime?
It leaves out the other side. This echoes a real idea in physics, physicist John Wheeler's participatory anthropic principle, which holds that observers are needed to bring definite properties into being and that without them there would be nothing but unmeasured quantum possibilities. It was said on JRE #2467 - Michael Pollan, aired Mar 14, 2026, at 31:45. We haven't independently confirmed who said it. The supporting source is en.wikipedia.org, linked below.
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