Joe Rogan Experience #2554 - Carlo Rovelli · Aired Sep 15, 2026
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There are more people enslaved today than there were during the Atlantic slave trade.
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The raw numbers do line up. The ILO, Walk Free and IOM estimate about 50 million people in modern slavery on any given day in 2021, against roughly 12.5 million Africans put aboard ships across the entire 366 years of the Atlantic trade. The comparison is shakier than it sounds, though, because the 50 million is a single-day snapshot under a broad definition that counts 22 million forced marriages alongside 28 million in forced labour, while the 12.5 million is a running total from one specific trade. As a share of the world's population, enslavement is also far rarer now than it was then.
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Is it true that there are more people enslaved today than there were during the Atlantic slave trade?
It leaves out the other side. The raw numbers do line up. 5 million Africans put aboard ships across the entire 366 years of the Atlantic trade. Joe Rogan said it (matched by voice) on Joe Rogan Experience #2554 - Carlo Rovelli, aired Sep 15, 2026, at 1:09:08. The supporting source is ilo.org, linked below.
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